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What happens when a hurricane isn't the worst thing
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to hit your house.
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In 2004, Terry Helfrich and her husband, Charles Brandt
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evacuated their beachside home
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to stay with family in Orlando.
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A little forced family bonding, a few too many drinks,
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it could have been an awkward anecdote for the next reunion.
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Instead, it unraveled into something far darker.
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By the end of the week, three people were dead
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and police uncovered a past that Charles
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had spent decades hiding.
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A past that made everything make sense
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in the worst possible way.
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This isn't just a story about what happened.
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It's about what no one wanted to believe could happen.
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But before we get into that story,
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Welcome to 10 Minute Murder.
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Let's get into it.
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In 1986, Terry Helfrich found what many
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had spent a lifetime searching for.
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A love that felt like home.
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Terry was that cliche, the kind of person
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who lit up every room she entered.
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A free spirit with a knack for making friends.
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Her warmth was magnetic.
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When she crossed paths with Charles Brandt
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or Charlie as he preferred, her world shifted.
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Charlie was her opposite in so many ways,
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reserved, bookish, and steady.
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Where Terry brought vibrancy and spontaneity,
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Charlie added structure and calm.
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Their differences weren't obstacles,
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they were puzzle pieces, fitting together
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in a way that just made sense.
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Friends and family marveled at their connection.
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It wasn't just the way they looked at each other.
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It was the way they lived for one another.
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Whether it was Charlie learning to love Terry's zest
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for life or Terry respecting Charlie's quiet demeanor,
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they met in the middle with ease.
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Their wedding was intimate, just a handful of witnesses
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and an exchange of vows that needed no embellishment.
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Shortly after, a couple settled into a dreamy beach house
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on Big Pine Key, Florida.
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Life was golden, warm breezes, sandy beaches,
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and a future as bright as the Florida sun.
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At least, that is how it seemed.
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Life on Big Pine Key was idyllic for Terry and Charles
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until September 2004 when Hurricane Ivan
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loomed large on the horizon.
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The fierce storm didn't just threaten their charming beach
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side home.
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It cast a shadow of danger over their lives.
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Enter Michelle Jones, Terry's 37-year-old niece,
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a successful TV executive living alone in Orlando.
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Michelle wasn't just family, she was the glue
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that kept everyone connected.
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Daily phone calls and close-knit bonds
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defined her relationships.
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So when she heard about the hurricane
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barreling toward her aunt and uncle's home,
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Michelle didn't hesitate.
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She opened her door and her heart,
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inviting them in to ride out the storm safely with her.
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Terry and Charles arrived in early September,
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grateful for Michelle's generosity.
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Ever the hostess, Michelle turned what
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could have been a harrowing evacuation
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into something almost celebratory.
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She called up friends and family, transforming her home
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into a hub of warmth and connection.
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For a while, it seemed as if the storm's disruption
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had brought everyone closer.
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But by the evening of September 13, the mood shifted.
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The vibes were off.
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With the storm behind them, Terry and Charles
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were technically free to return home.
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Still, Charles wanted to stay one more night.
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Dinner was fish he'd cooked himself,
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paired with enough drinks to blur
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the lines of their usual dynamic.
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When Michelle's friend, Lisa Emmons,
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called to check in and propose a visit, Michelle waved her off.
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Charles and Terry, she explained, weren't themselves.
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A couple typically loving and grounded,
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had begun fighting, something entirely
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out of character for them.
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Michelle told Lisa it wasn't the right time for company
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and decided to head to bed, leaving the evening
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and its tensions unresolved.
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Lisa took Michelle's advice, and the night continued
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with howder, which should have been
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the end of an ordinary evening marked the beginning
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of something unimaginable.
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When Michelle Jones stopped answering her phone,
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her family's unease quickly turned to alarm.
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For Michelle's mother, Mary Lou,
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communication was the cornerstone of their bond.
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Living in North Carolina, those near daily calls
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kept the distance between them bearable.
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Quote, we called Monday night and Tuesday night.
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Each time it went straight to voicemail.
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By Wednesday, the eerie silence was too much to ignore.
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The term into uncover what was wrong, Mary Lou reached out
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to Debbie Knight, one of Michelle's other close friends,
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and asked her to check in on Michelle.
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Debbie wasted no time.
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When she arrived at Michelle's Orlando home,
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something felt off immediately.
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The house was quiet.
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Too quiet.
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The front door was locked, so Debbie made her way
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around to the garage.
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Through the distorted glass of the garage door,
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she spotted something that made her stomach drop.
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Pushing the door open, she was met with a gruesome sight.
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A body hanging from the rafters, decomposing
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in the floor to heat.
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It was Charles.
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Debbie fled in terror, dialing 911 as she ran.
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When the police arrived, the scene inside
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was just as devastating.
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Lead investigator Rob Himmerts later described it,
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it was just a nice home.
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It had that feminine kind of feel to it.
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All those nice decorations in the aroma of her home
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was masked by death, the smell of death.
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In the living room, Terry's body was found on the couch.
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She had been stabbed multiple times in the chest.
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The attack was brutal, but swift.
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Death came quickly for Terry.
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Michelle's bedroom told a far darker story.
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The violence she endured defied comprehension.
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She had been decapitated and disembowed.
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Her heart had been removed, and her head
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was deliberately placed beside her body.
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A macabre arrangement that suggested something deeply
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personal, even ritualistic.
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The evidence painted a grim picture.
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Charles had turned on Terry first,
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stabbing her multiple times in a sudden act of violence.
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He then attacked Michelle, inflicting horrors
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beyond the scope of mere rage.
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Finally, consumed by whatever drove him to commit such acts,
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Charles tied bed sheets to the rafters in the garage
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and took his own life.
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The home, once a place of safety and family,
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now stood as a haunting reminder of the unspeakable.
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Yet the question remained.
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Why?
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What could have driven Charles to such brutality?
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This was only the beginning of a story
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that would reveal even darker truths.
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At first glance, the sequence of events in Michelle Jones's home
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seemed tragically straightforward.
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Charles Brant had first turned on his wife, Terry,
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stabbing her to death.
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Then he attacked Michelle with violence
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before taking his own life in the garage.
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The why, however, was far less clear.
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The answer would come from his older sister, Angela,
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whose revelations would not only explain the events of that night,
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but expose a dark truth about Charles' past.
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In a police interview, Angela recounted a night
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in 1968 that changed her family forever.
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Charles was just 13 when he unleashed a wave of violence
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in their Texas home.
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The family had just returned from a two-week vacation,
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and the evening seemed routine.
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Their father, Herbert, was shaving in the bathroom
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while their mother Lisa, heavily pregnant,
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soaked in the tub.
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Without warning, Charles burst into the bathroom
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armed with a hunting rifle.
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Angela recalled her father shouting, "Charlie, stop."
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Before a deafening bang silenced him.
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Herbert was critically wounded, leaving him defenseless
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as Charles turned the gun on Lisa.
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He shot her multiple times, killing both her
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and the unborn child.
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Next, Charles turned this weapon on Angela,
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but when he pulled the trigger, the gun misfired.
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In that split second, Angela fought back,
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physically grappling with her younger brother
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while trying to calm him.
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She later described Charles as being in a trance.
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His eyes glassy and detached, as if it weren't fully present.
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Gradually, as she pleaded with him,
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she saw the trance break, and Charles stopped fighting.
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Angela managed to escape to a neighbor's house,
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but before she could get help, Charles himself arrived
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at the neighbor's door.
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Calmly, he confessed, "I just shot my mom and dad."
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Herbert survived the attack and identified Charles
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as the perpetrator.
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A Texas law at the time didn't allow for a child of Charles's age
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to be tried for murder.
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Instead, he was sent to a psychiatric hospital for just one year
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before being released back into his father's custody.
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The family never spoke of the incident again.
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Herbert moved them to Florida, remarried,
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and told Charles his younger siblings, who were too young
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to remember that their mother had died in a car accident.
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For decades, the truth lay buried, only resurfacing
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after Charles's violent rampage in 2004.
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With this chilling history in hand, investigators
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began to suspect that the events at Michelle's home
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weren't isolated.
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A search of Charles and Terry's big pine
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key residents revealed a disturbing cache of snuff films
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suggesting a fascination with violence
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that went far beyond the ordinary.
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Not that a fascination with violence is ordinary.
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Their suspicions deepened as they revisited cold cases
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in the area, ultimately uncovering a shocking connection.
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In 1989, the body of 38-year-old Sherry Perisho
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was found floating near Charles's home.
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Her throat had been slashed, her head nearly severed,
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and her heart removed.
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Details eerily similar to Michelle's murder.
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Charles's wife, Terry, had harbored her own suspicions
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about him.
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She once confided to her brother-in-law
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that Charles had come home one night, covered, and blood.
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He claimed it was from gutting fish,
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but Terry was not convinced, especially
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after Sherry's mutilated body was discovered so close
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to their home.
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Years later, in 2006, investigators
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confirmed what Terry had feared.
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Charles had murdered Sherry, but this wasn't an isolated act.
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The investigation revealed connections
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between Charles' brand and several unsolved cases,
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like the 1978's Murder of Carol Sullivan.
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The 12-year-old was abducted while waiting for her school bus.
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Her school was later found in a bucket,
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but her body was never recovered.
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In 1988's Lisa Saunders, at just 20 years old,
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Lisa was brutally murdered in a case
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with striking similarities to Sherry's death.
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A 1995 darling toller, a sex worker
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found wrapped in a blanket along a highway.
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Her throat had been slashed in a manner
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consistent with Charles' known methods.
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Each case bore hallmarks to Charles' signature brutality,
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extreme violence, deliberate mutilation,
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and an unsettling focus on the removal of vital organs.
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With Sherry's murder confirmed and strong circumstantial
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evidence linking him to the others,
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investigators began to see Charles brand
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for what he truly was, a serial killer hiding in plain sight.
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His crimes spanned decades, targeting vulnerable women
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and leaving a trail of devastation in his wake.
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For those who knew him, the revelations were almost
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impossible to reconcile with the quiet, bookish man
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they thought they understood.
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Yet the truth of Charles' brand life
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was far darker and more monstrous
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than anyone could have imagined.
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